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New Machine Parts List

I guess there’s something in the water – I’ve now been bitten by the “upgrade my dev machine” bug.  In my case, it really comes down to one very fundamental gap in my current setup – my > 3 yr old machine is still running a 32 bit proc which means that I can’t really take advantage of any improved virtualization technology.  I had decided when I bought my current machine (Dell Dimension E510) that I was done building my own machines because of the potential time commitment and because I wasn’t convinced that I was really saving all that much money from buying parts vs. buying a machine.  However, I also like to stretch the life of my machines as long as possible, and in looking around at Dell and Lenovo offerings, I’m not really seeing any offerings comparable to what I could buy/build – I’m thinking specifically around the processor and some little things like USB 3.0.  Also, by building a machine, I can also cannibalize some of my current machine and upgrade those parts over time.

Anyways, here’s the list of parts I was looking at (I’ve also highlighted the parts I plan on reusing in the short term).  I’m not a hardware guy so let me know if I’ve missed something or if there’s a better option.

parts buy/reuse price qty subtotal buy link Notes
case buy 89.99 1 $89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133098 includes 450W power supply - 18.90" x 8.27" x 20.67"
case fan buy     $0.00 N/A N/A
cpu buy 288.99 1 $288.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 mboard req - LGA 1366 socket
cpu fan buy 39.99 1 $39.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004 Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2
motherboard buy 309.99 1 $309.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131614 ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
video card reuse     $0.00   Had already upgraded
hard drive reuse     $0.00    
ram buy 57.99 3 $173.97 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104136 Kingston - 2GB
card reader reuse     $0.00    
dvd r/w reuse     $0.00    
Total       $902.93    

Posted Sun, Jan 10 2010 9:09 AM by hdierking
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Dario Solera wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Sun, Jan 10 2010 1:08 PM

I've got an i7 920 and it's great. A couple of thoughts:

The RAM modules you've selected are a bit wasted as the i7 only supports 1066 modules (unless you overclock). At any rate they're of great quality, plus I'm not sure if you would save any real money with slower modules.

I would buy a fast hard disk, as I guess the stock unit from Dell is pretty much terrible, otherwise your CPU will be constantly waiting for data from the hard disk, especially when working with large solutions in Visual Studio. WD Velociraptors come to mind (2x in RAID0 is awesome, trust me).

Tor Hovland wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Sun, Jan 10 2010 3:14 PM

I second buying a new hard drive, but go for an Intel X25 solid state disk. They're still a bit expensive, but buy a small one as system drive and keep your existing one as a data drive.

Also, if you buy six memory modules instead of 3, you may turn off the Windows pagefile or put it on a RAM disk.

hdierking wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Sun, Jan 10 2010 7:40 PM

@Tor -

*A bit* expensive?!?  Wow!  I didn't realize that the price of a drive could equal the price of the rest of the computer.  While I've seen some of the benchmarks on SSDs vs. spindle drives, one of my goals here is to build a system that's fast enough for now, has enough architectural headroom to make faster over time (without rebuilding), and doesn't break the bank.  As such, I think I may wait until SSDs come down a bit in price (like I did for the i7 proc).

Why would having 6 vs. 3 mem modules enable me to turn off Windows paging?  That sounds awesome - I would just like to better understand it.

D. Lambert wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Sun, Jan 10 2010 8:15 PM

Yeah, I'm not convinced that SSD's have quite gotten to a price point I'm comfortable with, but I'm sure I'll go there at some point.  Regarding HDD's in general, though, one thing I'd really recommend if you're not already doing this is mirroring your HDD's.  They're cheap, and the insurance factor is really nice.  My home machine has a pair of 1TB 7200 RPM drives, and at some point, I hope to add the aforementioned SSD for a boot drive and a pair of lower-RPM 2TB drives if I need more data space.

If you do end up running multiple drives, I'd consider looking at a case that's got support for 5-6 drives with a place to mount fans specifically for the drives -- IME, these can run pretty hot, and cooling seems to keep them healthy longer.  I've got an Antec Sonota case now, which is decent, but if were to buy a new case, this one would be high on my list:

www.newegg.com/.../Product.aspx

Finally, the 450W power supply with that case is probably ok w/ the equipment list you've got here, but if you would end up w/ multiple HDD's and a hungry video card, you could be pushing that a bit.  Thermaltake is a good PS, but if you purchased a separate case & PS, you'd also be able to get an 80+-rated PS, which should end up just a bit more efficient.

Good luck w/ the build -- looks like fun.

alwin wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Mon, Jan 11 2010 3:18 AM

I would try to look for a cheaper processor and motherboard, and then put in an SSD :)

Good luck with the build!

Tom wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Mon, Jan 11 2010 6:00 AM

Sounds like a nice machine - I would also recommend upgrading to 1 or 2 WD Velociraptors as that's the main bottle neck.

It might also be worth getting 4 gigs of RAM instead of 2 as that seams pretty standard these days.

Randall Sutton wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Mon, Jan 11 2010 12:05 PM

Might want to check out some testing I did with various configurations before purchasing your own.

http://rsurl.net/blog14

Michael J. Ryan wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Mon, Jan 11 2010 2:05 PM

I would first suggest a better power supply, especially depending on your video card and the number of HDDs you plan on running.  you might want to consider a core i5, you'll save about $250-300 with maybe a 15-20% cpu perf hit (1/2 the cost for 85% of the speed.  With that do a decent 64-80GB SSD for booting/os and a decent 7200 rpm HDD for mass storage, which will more than make up the difference in CPU performance for your usage.  A Phenom2 265 may be worth considering as well, unless you plan on dropping another $500+ for a faster CPU in the next 2 years, the 1366 boards imho arent really worth it.

Bahadir CAmbel wrote re: New Machine Parts List
on Fri, Jan 15 2010 10:37 AM

I think , this should be your main HDD as well ,

its a 40gb SSD

www.newegg.com/.../Product.aspx

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