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Jeremy D. Miller -- The Shade Tree Developer » Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
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Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?

Funny, I had a couple conversations about Ruby.Net this week and we all were disappointed because we thought it was dead.

Ruby.Net Lives!  New beta release.

From the release,

We have just started work on getting Ruby on Rails to run on Ruby.NET and have started work on adding interoperability features to allow .NET programs written in other languages to conveniently use Ruby components and vice versa. We hope to include some of these features in the next public release.

Posted Thu, Feb 8 2007 8:37 PM by Jeremy D. Miller

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hammett wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Fri, Feb 9 2007 8:59 AM

I just wish it was an open source project, instead of an academic exercise sponsored by MS. A port of JRuby would be a better alternative to the .net community.

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Fri, Feb 9 2007 11:31 AM

Hamilton,

I agree with you on idealistic principles, and I think an OSS model would get it done faster in a way.  They are saying that they want to start running it more on an OSS model where they will accept patches and extensions.

The harsh reality is that we probably can't recommend Ruby.Net to the average client without that official seal of approval from MS.  Plus, I'm sure this would go a lot better with some technical assistance from MS's CLR teams.

Jeremy

hammett wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Fri, Feb 9 2007 1:34 PM

Jeremy, the CLR is not ready for a truly dynamic language, I'm sure Ruby.Net contains (and will always contain) a lot of hacks, so it will not be fully embraced anyway. It's an experiment to prove that a dynamic language can (kinda) be supported by the CLR, not to prove that it will perform well, or be smoothly implemented.

Fortunately Sun and MS share this problem, and both of them are trying to get it solved. But from my point of view, Sun is far ahead, and JRuby has supported RoR for quite sometime. The difference is that JRuby guys are creating an interpreter, while Ruby.Net will be a compiler, AFAIC.

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Fri, Feb 9 2007 1:41 PM

The interpreter/compiler combo is a good point.  I'd love to be able to code against the interpreter and only compile when it's time to deploy to testing or prod.

The IronPython guys have been pretty upbeat about dynamic languages on the CLR.

It's ironic to me that .Net's supposed multi-language advantage seems to be getting trumped by the JVM.     .Net has a couple of interchangeable *mainstream* languages while the JVM is getting conceptually different languages (JRuby, Jython, Groovy, Scala).

hammett wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Fri, Feb 9 2007 6:23 PM

Yes, totally. Maybe it's time to switch back to java... ;-)

Scott wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Sat, Feb 10 2007 11:48 AM

Were you folks aware that John Lam is working at MS on integrating Ruby into the CLR a'la IronPython? I met John last summer at OSCON along with an IronPython dev, they were both pretty upbeat about CLR support for dynamic languages. Much farther along (internally at least) than the Ruby.NET project. (No offense intended towards them).

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Sat, Feb 10 2007 12:40 PM

Scott,

Is there anything public about that?  I knew they hired John Lam, but I hadn't heard about anything Ruby from MS itself.

Scott wrote re: Ruby.Net Lives! Is RoR on the CLR coming too?
on Sat, Feb 10 2007 4:17 PM

Jeremy,

I haven't heard anything official, as in on MSDN or bogs.msdn.com, but John states in his "I'm going to Microsoft" post that he is going to work "in the CLR team to help bring the love of dynamic languages out to the statically typed heathens :)"

Considering that most of the tech talk at our table (not dealing with how Microsoft can't ship anything quickly) was about dynamic language support in the CLR, and Don Box's love of Scheme and Ruby, I wouldn't be surprised if more dynamic languages made it into the CLR. Given that they went after John Lam specifically, and had folks from the IronPython team present at OSCON and at the dinner, I'd be surprised if Ruby support didn't make it into the CLR.

http://www.iunknown.com/articles/2006/10/20/dynamic-languages-microsoft-and-me

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