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Things really are changing in the .Net community

Check out this article about the rationale for the ASP.NET MVC framework on Dr. Dobbs.  Absolutely nothing you haven't heard before, but it's written by Dino Esposito.  It's fine and all to hear this sort of thing from ALT.NET leaning outliers, but Dino Esposito is virtually Mr. Mainstream in the .Net developer community.  Cool.

Posted Mon, Apr 7 2008 11:58 AM by Jeremy D. Miller

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Sergio Pereira wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Mon, Apr 7 2008 1:14 PM

Well, since the MVC has a chance of becoming mainstream to some degree, it's not surprising to see the usual suspects jumping on it. In any case, it's a welcome change.

LukeB wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Mon, Apr 7 2008 4:05 PM

No mention of Monorail, which is unsuprising. N-I-H is alive and well at MS.

SteveG wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Mon, Apr 7 2008 11:09 PM

This same group will still turn their noses up to Spring.NET and NHibernate and stick to their Unity and Linq to SQL....

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Mon, Apr 7 2008 11:45 PM

@SteveG,

Aw well, it's the concepts and values that matter more than the tools.  'Course by that measure I'd go with NHib over Linq to SQL.

Dave Laribee wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Tue, Apr 8 2008 6:44 PM

Watchdog, watchdog, watchdog...

Cool but with mainstream comes compromise and justification. Where's Dino in engaging with this community? I haven't seen him around yet. I'm skeptical.

John wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Tue, Apr 8 2008 11:16 PM

Nothing wrong with compromise.  I think alt.net needs a little mainstream activity to balance what sometimes seems like an all-or-nothing approach to the practices espoused by alt.net.  Believe it or not, mainstream != dumb, so the mainstream might actually teach alt.net a few things, too :).

Mohan Kumar wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Tue, Apr 8 2008 11:18 PM

@Laribee,

Cut him some slack, will you? :)

Far as I remember, Dino has been the high priest of MS *mortyrdom* and he still is, so you can't expect to see him aournd speaking all alt.NETish overnight. I don't expect to see him around the pragmatic .NET camp ever unless it is a direct command from Houston (MS), which I doubt will happen. He has his plates full at Wintellect for the moment.

Vikas Kerni wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Tue, Apr 8 2008 11:48 PM

MVC is going to be the tipping point for .net community. There will be no distinction between ALT.Net and Mort after that.

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Nikola Malovic wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Wed, Apr 9 2008 2:06 AM

"high priest of MS *mortyrdom*", "Mr. Mainstream"??

Common guys... What Dino did so wrong so it would deserve this call out blog post ? He wrote books for web forms and presenting that as much as he can. I know web forms are something you ALT-ers despise but for the millions of people are still doing it and it is still a widest adopted model of doing web in .NET. So with his books he is helping very large number of people.

And what is so strange in Dino (or anyone) writing about the MVC framework.

At the end, MVC .NET is becoming a mainstream (because of the fact it is done by M$ it would outnumber the number of monorail users very fast)

I really don't see what is the point behind this post which looks to me like a childish "I was always here and you just came"

Eric wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Wed, Apr 9 2008 3:03 PM

What is the sound of 1,000 hands patting themselves on the back for being... 'ALT.NET'?  

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Wed, Apr 9 2008 4:18 PM

@Eric,

I get your sentiment, but who cares about credit?  As long as the stuff I care about (design principles like Separation of Concerns) is getting some visibility, I'm good.

Simon wrote re: Things really are changing in the .Net community
on Wed, Apr 9 2008 9:42 PM

How do you review a .net MVC engine without mentioning monorail???

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