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Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC

The videos for Chad & I's talk on our MVC usage from KaizenConf this past week is available on Viddler.  This workshop covered the content from the Our "Opinions" on the ASP.NET MVC post from a couple weeks back with the real code.

Chad is working to move *some* of our infrastructure into Google Code just with the intention of sharing the code.  We might get serious about making our MVC stack a new OSS project early next year, but there aren't any definite plans.

Posted Mon, Nov 3 2008 11:51 AM by Jeremy D. Miller

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Paul Batum wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:35 PM

Ahh excellent news about the code sharing. The code in the video isn't really readable so this will help alot. I also really like the idea of a ".NET on doverails" project. Thanks again for taking the time to present your work.

Justice~! wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:45 PM

*Lies*.

"Unfortunately, we can't find this video! Either it has been deleted, or it never existed in the first place."

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:48 PM

@Justice,

They were up an hour ago.  May be a Viddler problem.  I'll update the links if it turns out that they got moved.

Simone wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 12:56 PM

Great, thanks for sharing

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 1:01 PM

Viddler's taking a break today.  I think there will be a better compilation within the week for all the KaizenConf material.

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on Mon, Nov 3 2008 1:01 PM

You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from DotNetKicks.com

Travis wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Mon, Nov 3 2008 2:20 PM

I'm interested in how you implement Fluent NHibernate and the Repository pattern.  Can you please include this in your Google Code update? Pretty please? :-)

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Adam Tybor wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Tue, Nov 4 2008 5:02 PM

Awesome Jeremy! I wish I could have been in Austin to see it and talk about it.  I love the opinionated view of working with Asp.Net MVC.  Its not rails and wasn't designed to be rails... but that doesn't mean you can't easily adopt and create strong conventions that work.

+1 To the recording although it was real tough to see the code.  I can't wait to look at some of the bits that Chad posts.

I used to think alternative view engines were the answer to tag soup... but this clearly shows you can have the strong tool support of asp.net without the soup!

Jeremy D. Miller wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Tue, Nov 4 2008 5:12 PM

@Adam,

Thank you.  We're not ruling out NHaml or NVelocity in the future for us.  We made the decision to stay with the WebForms engine to make it easier for external developers to customize the app.

MCDOWALL wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Wed, Nov 5 2008 6:24 AM

Is there a slide deck available?

Stephen wrote re: Chad & I get Opinionated about the ASP.NET MVC
on Wed, Nov 5 2008 7:31 AM

Really interested in seeing this, the video you couldn't really see the code and there was a lot of hopping around to show areas of interest.. one area however that I consistently are not 'getting'.. is the view engines.

asp/php they all have this interweaving 'binding' which isn't really binding at all, I find that asp.nets server side controls actually had a good concept that should be rethough for todays expectations..

You may all go nuts, screaming noooo - but I think that xaml has a really tidy binding system.. and I've started to really think recently about how such a 'view engine' could be created.. a xaml inspired binding engine for asp.net, as far as I can tell, this is very much possible with only minimal need for code gen - and wouldn't require any plugs for runtime compilation.. bindings would be captured as expressions that would be evaluated at 'render time'.. you can quite easily cache a resolved markup template and re-use it each time to hydrate data into it.

I'm currently working on this in my spare time, I'm even considering how possible it would be to have extensible input formats, so you could for example write a control or layout in .. json (if you really wanted), and the output would still be the same..

If I get far enough along with this I may codeplex or otherwise to see if there is any interest.. design time support is really the most tricky part.. but as far as I'm concerned.. design time support in asp.net is screwed up anyway.

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