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re: My Thoughts on ASP.NET's MVC

karl — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:41:44 GMT

@Chris:

I don't know why I'm not a fan of MonoRail, its just has never been my favorite. Maybe it's because I was learning RoR at the same time and I found myself comparing the two. I do think it has a worse learning curve than ASP.NET MVC - I realize that's largely because of a new view language, which I advocate (I'm full of contradictions!!). I couldn't get NVelocity to work well for me in VS.NET 2008 (no highlighting, no intellisense, no resharper goodness). I'd actually call MVC more polished (MonoRail might have really improved over the last year or so).

@Mike:

I realize other view languages are available. I have used NVelocity, and I've looked at Brail. I am willing to try them both (it didn't make much sense in the context of the learning application as it just would have confused people). My point though is that most people will use ASP.NET MVC with C# or VB.NET - which I don't think is ideal. I hope people look at alternatives, but I've resigned myself to accepting that until Microsoft officially supports something, it won't be mainstream (MVC itself is proof enough for me).

re: My Thoughts on ASP.NET's MVC

Josh — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:59:21 GMT

I have to agree with you about the lack of easy ORM in MVC. I know they want to be ORM agnostic, but that is really one of the great things about Rails. It's all just ready to go.

In the MVC app I'm building, I'm using LINQtoSQL, and that hasn't been too bad. I've had to change a few things here and there, and add some things. Luckily it's the code generation is really easy to extend, as it uses all partial classes. It's not nearly as nice as the ActiveRecord library in rails, but it's getting the job done.

re: My Thoughts on ASP.NET's MVC

Chris — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:26:10 GMT

Out of curiousity, why wouldn't you use MonoRail again?

"If you're an ASP.NET developer, it's really a no brainer"

This isn't a complete thought. It should be more like:

If you're an ASP.NET developer who realizes that WebForms blow, then it's a no brainer; if you're an ASP.NET WebForms developer and don't get the whole "MVC" fad[read sarcasm], then it's a no brainer, you're stuck at your government job for the rest of your carreer ...

[emphasis on asp.net developer versus asp.net webforms developer]

re: My Thoughts on ASP.NET's MVC

Mike Chaliy — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:32:20 GMT

You can visit www.codeplex.com/MVCContrib to look how MVCFramework works with third party view engines like Brail, NHaml. NVelocity and more...

re: My Thoughts on ASP.NET's MVC

dario-g — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:51:02 GMT

I disagree with in one point. MVC give's you real a clean separation of concerns. You can use different view engines and also different data access frameworks, eg. Sooda, NHIbernate, etc. You may feel free, that's why Model folder is empty. You can put into this what do you wan't.

Maybe OR/M's should have some wrapers to easly use in MVC.NET?

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re: Foundations of Programming - Learning Application

DaRage — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:26:17 GMT

It works now. Thanks karl.

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