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Pitfalls when installing Visual Studio 2005 Beta 2 with Sql Server 2005 Beta 2?

Getting ready for the installation of VS2K5B2. Just setup a new Virtual PC, with the help of Eric and this article by Mark (no, I’ve never used Virtual PC before. Never had a need when I’ve got 5 computers at my fingertips). Installed a brand new base operating system virtual hard drive for Windows XP so I have a clean slate. I already have the ISO for VS, but don’t have any blank DVDs :( I will have to stop at the store and pick some up. My next step is to go out and update my VPC OS with the latest and greatest updates from Windows Update. I’m wondering about the .Net Framework 2.0 though. I also plan on installing Sql Server 2K5 on the same VPC and am wondering which to install first. The Sql Server with 2.0 framework or the VS2K5 with the 2.0 framework? How good is the beta 2 of Sql Server going to be with an updated framework installed? Hopefully there will be no adverse effects. Perhaps I should run a seperate VPC with the Sql Server 2K5B2 installed, but I only have 1 GB RAM available and am worried about the lagging effects of running 2 VPC instances, but this may be the only way to do it right when installing VS2K5B2 and SQL2K5B2. I already have standalone machine with VS2K5B1 and SQL2K5B2 installed, and don’t have any problems running them both on the same PC. Dare I try it now that VS2K5B2 is out? Any thoughts on this? I’m hoping some of you spent your precious weekend time doing the exact same thing I’ll be doing tonight and may have some suggestions on how to approach with a minimal amount of work.

Also, happy blogday to me. This is my 100th post!

Update: Just found this link from Denis Bauer that pretty much answers all my questions on this. You'll have to have Sql Server April CTP for it all to play nice together it seems.

Published Apr 18 2005, 05:00 AM by Raymond Lewallen

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John Papa said:

Congrats on your 100th post! ;-)

I got burnt trying to install SQL Server 2005 Beta 2 on the same VPC instance as VS.NET 2005 Beta 1 ... they just did not live happily together. Then later on I read somewhere that others had the same problems, so they put them on separate instances. Because of that history, I created 2 VPC instances from the same base install for the betas ... 1 for SQL Server 2005 and the other for VS.NET 2005.

That said, I noticed during the install of VS.NET 2005 Beta 2 last night that it also had on its checklist the SQL Server 2005 April CTP. I assume it is SQL Express. I won't be installing SQL Server 2005 Beta 2 on the same VPC instance this time, unless I see someone else having success at it first. I will insall them on separate VPC's once again. But then I keep running into the same problem you mentioned: enough CPU and RAM for 2 VPC instances. It gets real slow with 2 of them running.

Anyway, Mark's article was very good and I learned about the 2nd hard disk option from it. It's a good idea. I had been using differencing off of my base, but this seems easier.

# April 18, 2005 5:27 AM

Raymond Lewallen said:

Thanks for the info John. I was one of the lucky ones I guess. I run Sql beta 2 and VS beta 1 on the same physical machine with no hiccups. Was an issue when I installed Sql after VS, but I can't remember what it was and it had no noticable effects on anything. Unless I get some advice today that says not to install on the same VPC, I'm going to be the guinea pig I suppose and try installing both on the same VPC. Installing VS2K5B2 first, and then Sql Server (not express edition).

# April 18, 2005 5:37 AM

ScottGalloway said:

Haven't tried this (my line is WAY slow) but have been reading a few blogs that have mentioned that the SQL Server April CTP is due 'any day now', also read that when you uninstall VS.NET 2005 CTP it uninstalls ALL versions of .NET on the machione - as I say, haven't tried it yet...but looks interesting...

# April 18, 2005 5:48 AM

Denis Bauer said:

Hi Raymond,
thanks for the link. As I wrote in my post, I didn't notice any problems installing both on the same machine.

The real reason for my comment: You can mount ISO images directly into your VPC by right-clicking the CD icon in the statusbar and selecting "Capture ISO Image..." (install VM Additions first). Saves you the time to pick up the DVDs :)

HTH
Denis

# April 18, 2005 7:00 AM

Raymond Lewallen said:

Thanks for the info Denis. I actually have another machine to install it on, so I want to put it on DVD. Also, when I go to VPC and choose CD/Capture ISO Image and point to the VS2K5B2 Standard DVD Iso (en_vs_2005_std_dvd_beta2.iso), I get an error that says "This file does not appear to be a CD image. CD image files must be greater than 2MB and a multiple of 2K in size." Anybody have any thoughts on that? Again, I'm new to the world of VPC. I installed the VPC Additions.

# April 18, 2005 7:06 AM

John Papa said:

I used a program called <a href="http://www.ezbsystems.com/ultraiso/">Ultra ISO</a> to take the ISO image of the DVD and extra the files to my hard drive. Then, I shared the hard drive with my VPC and installed it that way.

This worked much better than mounting the DVD to VPC (I had many errors with that technique).

# April 18, 2005 7:22 AM

pvanooijen said:

Congratulation ! May many more follow.
In the meantime I'm still waiting for my downlaod to complete. With the US waking up it could turn into a long wait. My line is OK the download speed is like a jojo. I've seen anything betwee 400 and 0 over the day. Patience..

# April 18, 2005 7:38 AM

Denis Bauer said:

Hi Raymond,

you're right. I've heard today that VPC's ISO mount feature is limited to 2,2 gig so this won't work.

Cheers
Denis

# April 21, 2005 9:31 AM

Raymond Lewallen said:

Denis, I took John Papa's advice and extraced the ISO to hard disk and shared that with the VPC. Worked like a charm.

# April 21, 2005 9:52 AM

eralper said:

Hi,
I'm using the VCD ISO tool for mounting the iso files on local drives. It works great for my past experiences with Longhorn installations.

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Working primarily in the public sector during his career, Raymond has designed and built several high profile enterprise level applications for all levels of the government. Raymond now works as a solutions architect for EMC. Raymond is an agile coach, Microsoft MVP C# and also president of the Oklahoma City Developers Group and Oklahoma Agile Developers Group. Raymond spends a lot of his time learning and teaching such things as Test Driven Development, Domain Driven Design, Design Patterns and Extreme Programming practices and principles, to name a few. Raymond is also an advocate of Alt.Net. Raymond is primarily a framework guy, so don't ask him anything about UI :)

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